Participants noted that government funding tended to be one dimensional, that is, securing funding from this source was invariably _base_d on a particular and narrow view of measures of impact/success.

A lively discussion ensued about what constitutes success in many social economy industries especially where diversity across industries within the sector was disregarded. Success/impact was more often than not seen to be measured by inappropriate indicators. (For example in the health industry, the number of beds, or the number of care hours; and some parts of the education / training sector seemed to have wrong or inadequate impact indicators or lacked appropriate 'tools' to even begin measurement.)

The meanings of measurement and its use in some industries (training, disability, homelessness...) and the implications for what was funded was challenged by one group of participants. The situation in the Social Economy was contrasted with practice in for-profit business where measures were _base_d on return on equity and investment (usually in dollars and not people).

The question: "How can you show people the value of their investment in the Social Economy?" was posed. Educating members in the sector on measurement of impact was discussed and the need for greater investment in the development of measurement tools was advocated (in a context where to date this has not met with any significant success internationally).